Re: Coeur d'Alene Hole 17 Revisions...
Posted: January 7th, 2022, 7:50 am
Hi fellas...
Looks like I' have some free time for a few days, so lets talk about hole 17.
To begin with Pete had the idea to move the tree in the left dogleg so you had an open view of the green, and then changing it from a par 4 to a par 3.
Here are a few thoughts about that idea. First I'll point out that I have no opinion one way or the other. I'll accept anything that you guys want. But I can offer some other options to give us something more to think about.
Obviously the main reason the course is so short is because it has five par 3's. Currently it is a par 71 course with five, par 3 holes. 3 on the front and 2 on the back. Changing 17 to a par 3 makes it a par 70, with six, par 3 holes, or 3 per side. How does everyone feel about that many par 3's ?
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Adelade suggested possibly moving the tee back farther, but there's just not enough room to get more than about 18 yards additional distance, which IMO, wouldn't be enough of a change to matter. It's only 23 yards straight back to the OB fence and if you put it too close to the fence it would block the tee camera view. I suspect 18 yards would be about all I could safely squeeze out of it.
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I'll offer some options, but first we need to clarify and agree on the degree of modifications. I've seen chat about making revisions to the grounds, such as removing a tennis court. That's acceptable to me, if everyone else agrees. Remember, it's YOUR course, and can be set up specifically for tournament play.
My question is: If we agree that some of the grounds structures can be moved or removed to make way for more golf space, I would like to remove the grey main entry driveway where it crosses the course behind the 9th tee. That will open the course up for some revisions, such as hole 17. What are everyone's thoughts about the degree of revisions we will accept?
Here are some before-and-after screen shots of my ideas for 17. Notice the cart paths and driveway have been removed. Look them over and let me know if you think the change is way too much...
BEFORE - https://www.dropbox.com/s/6l2fy9uzit3sg ... l.jpg?dl=0
AFTER - https://www.dropbox.com/s/9hivb6evfuot7 ... s.jpg?dl=0
My idea would be to turn the 17th green into a fairway landing area, and move the 17 green back between 130 and 150 yards near where the driveway is now. Plus I would suggest removing the cart paths on both sides of 17. Doing so gives us room to move the back tees for holes 9 and 18 about 20 yards back. These 3 changes would add about 180 yards to the course, and hole 17 would remain as a par 4, but it would play to about 420 yards. Another thought would be do add a pond with reflective water between the end of the fairway and the 17th green. Perhaps the pond could actually come into play off the tee if you have a strong wind behind you. If we go with a pond we can also determine how close the water can be to the green and what kind of shoreline to give it. I believe all of these revisions would add some extra spice and beauty to this course.
Keep in mind that these are merely suggestions of things I would be willing to do. We can do some, all, or none. The final decisions would be up to you gentlemen.
I welcome your thoughts and ideas. Jump in and lets discuss it.
Dan
Looks like I' have some free time for a few days, so lets talk about hole 17.
To begin with Pete had the idea to move the tree in the left dogleg so you had an open view of the green, and then changing it from a par 4 to a par 3.
Here are a few thoughts about that idea. First I'll point out that I have no opinion one way or the other. I'll accept anything that you guys want. But I can offer some other options to give us something more to think about.
Obviously the main reason the course is so short is because it has five par 3's. Currently it is a par 71 course with five, par 3 holes. 3 on the front and 2 on the back. Changing 17 to a par 3 makes it a par 70, with six, par 3 holes, or 3 per side. How does everyone feel about that many par 3's ?
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Adelade suggested possibly moving the tee back farther, but there's just not enough room to get more than about 18 yards additional distance, which IMO, wouldn't be enough of a change to matter. It's only 23 yards straight back to the OB fence and if you put it too close to the fence it would block the tee camera view. I suspect 18 yards would be about all I could safely squeeze out of it.
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I'll offer some options, but first we need to clarify and agree on the degree of modifications. I've seen chat about making revisions to the grounds, such as removing a tennis court. That's acceptable to me, if everyone else agrees. Remember, it's YOUR course, and can be set up specifically for tournament play.
My question is: If we agree that some of the grounds structures can be moved or removed to make way for more golf space, I would like to remove the grey main entry driveway where it crosses the course behind the 9th tee. That will open the course up for some revisions, such as hole 17. What are everyone's thoughts about the degree of revisions we will accept?
Here are some before-and-after screen shots of my ideas for 17. Notice the cart paths and driveway have been removed. Look them over and let me know if you think the change is way too much...
BEFORE - https://www.dropbox.com/s/6l2fy9uzit3sg ... l.jpg?dl=0
AFTER - https://www.dropbox.com/s/9hivb6evfuot7 ... s.jpg?dl=0
My idea would be to turn the 17th green into a fairway landing area, and move the 17 green back between 130 and 150 yards near where the driveway is now. Plus I would suggest removing the cart paths on both sides of 17. Doing so gives us room to move the back tees for holes 9 and 18 about 20 yards back. These 3 changes would add about 180 yards to the course, and hole 17 would remain as a par 4, but it would play to about 420 yards. Another thought would be do add a pond with reflective water between the end of the fairway and the 17th green. Perhaps the pond could actually come into play off the tee if you have a strong wind behind you. If we go with a pond we can also determine how close the water can be to the green and what kind of shoreline to give it. I believe all of these revisions would add some extra spice and beauty to this course.
Keep in mind that these are merely suggestions of things I would be willing to do. We can do some, all, or none. The final decisions would be up to you gentlemen.
I welcome your thoughts and ideas. Jump in and lets discuss it.
Dan